Some more archaeology job stats.
DougRM
Probably not as bleak as most graduates think it is but definitely worse than what most aspiring PhDs think it is.
Post ID#19321 - replied 2/18/2012 7:17 AM
rkeyo
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Post ID#19322 - replied 2/18/2012 9:07 AM
DougRM
Post ID#19323 - replied 2/18/2012 5:11 PM
Dwarmour
As a person who is breaking my back to travel over 200 miles just to attend graduate school and applying for positions all over the place, these statistics are very disheartening. What I would be interested in seeing is what these lucky, chosen few are doing and there backgrounds/qualifications that lead them to be "picked."
Is it really the case that all masters and phd anthro students are truly dedicated to this field or do they just have no clue as to what to do with their lives?
Post ID#19324 - replied 2/19/2012 5:05 AM
DougRM
On the academic route I think a real barrier to employment and the 'best" person for the job is the degree of specialty. Most job postings say something like looking for someone with eastwoodlands experience and ceramics. Yes, 150 graduate each year but how many have experience in eastwoodlands and ceramics? I have written about this- Why you don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than your slowest friend
Though I can probably look at assistant profs to see number of publications, teaching etc. This would take me a very long time though so it will be a few months before I can put up anything on it.
Post ID#19325 - replied 2/19/2012 5:32 AM
McBain05
I applied to a Ph.D. programs 43 times after recieving my Masters degree over the course of 4 or 5 cycles. At the time of application I have 6 or 7 articles, 30-40 contract archaeology reports, 4-5 presentations at conferences, a 3.8 GPA from the MA program, good letters of rec, 5 years experience as a CRM archaeologist (most of it as a crew chief or above), 700+ verbal, 600+ math, 5-5 for the writing portion (or was it 4 out of 4... don't remember, so long ago).
Never got accept. Got wait listed once. Each time, I would call the department to see why I didn't get in and they were never specific. I would wait a few months into the semester and look at the websites, which usually listed the new graduate students. A high percentage were straight out of undergrad.
Then, my wife got in to a Ph.D. program on her 2nd try. Now, I get to pay for one without actually getting one ;)
I would LOVE to bust my ass to try for one of those few positions. But, they won't even let me in the door.
Post ID#19326 - replied 2/19/2012 7:07 AM
rkeyo
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Post ID#19328 - replied 2/20/2012 1:20 PM
DougRM
Post ID#19336 - replied 2/21/2012 11:21 AM
McBain05
I am not sure I understand your question, Doug.
I certainly didn't apply to just one school...Probably 6-7 per year of attempt which included 2 cycles before my masters and 4 cycles after my MA. Give or take. Some years 5 progams, sometimes as high as 7 or so. I laminated all my rejection letters and use them as placemats. I visited every single one (which cost me a couple thousand dollars I didn't have). After every rejection, I called to find out why and it was the usual platitudes followed by a please try again next year. I would pursue them and get rejected the next year, too. More often than not, however, it was a crop of fresh undergrads getting in ahead of me once they posted their students on the website (Alot of schools have stopped doing this).
I got wait listed at UNC once... the other schools ranged across the board from coast to coast. :)
I hesitate to be anymore specific, as I do prefer to be as anonymous as possible as my employer is incredibly vindictative and some of the posts here would get me fired (Particularly any mention of the dreaded "U" word).
Point is moot now, though. I am out of money and can't responsibly pursue it anymore. And a Field director in CRM don't make much to get out of the hole. So, I am CRM for life.
Post ID#19337 - replied 2/21/2012 2:20 PM
DougRM
Post ID#19338 - replied 2/21/2012 2:58 PM
Dwarmour
If I was to apply for a grad program it would have been from UNC, I know they are uber competitive but thats ridiculous.
Post ID#19341 - replied 2/21/2012 4:16 PM
McBain05
Well, Vin tends to work with Prehistoric archaeologists more often than not. While I actually have directed more Prehistoric phase IIIs (9) than historic ones (5), I am technically an historic archaeologist. ;0
@Doug... Well, internet posts bring out the worst in my typos, misspellings, and grammar miscues.
Post ID#19374 - replied 2/26/2012 11:42 AM
lasdar
I've actually felt that way before. I got job once as an environmental firms Only Archaeologist, I was totally under qualified for the position, although I had the knowledge, no MA. Now I have 13 years experience, am in grad school for a MA in GIS, and my class mates are all newbies with no job experiences, and a complete inability to express themselves coherently in type. This was my third attempt at grad school admittance in 10 years. I have no idea why the other schools (including my Alma mater) wouldn't take me, but this school jumped at me. I would have loved to pursue my MA in Historic Archaeology, but is seems GIS is much more advantageous for the sector of CRM I tend to find myself in.
I have several friends who are PhD profs in various fields all over the world, all of them agree that the quality of undergrad students is declining, and the students know less and less, and are applying themselves less. Employers I know keep complaining that the recent graduates (younger crowd) don't know how to do their jobs and have no initiative. So what I want to know is what is up with the schools discriminating in favor of admitting young people who don't know shit and don't actually want to learn?
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